...didn't want to write it myself, because I suck at writing META. At least I kind of suck at META I try to do on-purpose. Sometimes I'm pretty good with accidental META. Accidental META happens when I just have something to say and somehow it just comes together all META like. When I try to do it on-purpose I end up miles away from META and more in to rant-land. Though, good news, while this may not be META, it isn't a rant either. So, YAY!

Basically I'm just going to ramble about two things/people from ...And Then There Were None that I was hoping to see someone else META about, but if it's out there I haven't found it. So, mostly it's just me blabbering on about some things from ...And Then There Were None, so SPOILERS for ...And Then There Were None and other all ready aired season six episodes.

I think I'll start with Bobby just cause that one is easier for me to process. First, I remember back when I started watching season one (after seeing three episodes of season five), at that point I didn't think I liked the character of John very much. However, at first it was more because I (like Sam) simply didn't understand the blind-faith Dean had in John. Seriously, John seemed like a fairly awesome hunter, but also came across as a very shitty father, and the latter I just couldn't get past.

Then John was dead and Bobby was brought on, and that's when I should've realized that I liked John a whole bunch more then I thought. Because at first I really didn't like Bobby, at all. Now I think the main reason I didn't like Bobby at first was because they seemed to bring him on as a daddy sub. But, nope, it didn't dawn on me, I just thought there was something about the overall character of Bobby that I simply didn't like, and really didn't give it more thought than that.

It seemed even less important by the end of season three when I had finally started warming up to Bobby. But even then I just never loved Bobby the way most of fandom seems to. So, when he (Bobby) started getting on my nerves again in season five again I didn't think much about it.

Now in season six I did start to realize that I had liked John so much more then I first thought, but mostly that was because of Grandpa, not Bobby. Even though I was starting to like Bobby again in season six. But every time Grandpa said something snarky about Dean and Sam's daddy, I realized more and more that I did like John, despite some of the character flaws.

Then came ...And Then There Were None, and with Bobby stepping into his pretend daddy role again it hit me like a ton of bricks. That was why I hadn't liked Bobby at first (but admittedly my dislike of him in season five had nothing to do with that. He was simply to whinny and cranky for me in season five). But for that initial dislike, I simply didn't like Bobby for stepping up and trying to be something to Dean and Sam that he really wasn't.

However, it makes sense that Bobby, who knew both boys as actual boys, would feel that need to step in and try to fill the void left after John's death. I don't know that it makes sense that the boys (especially Dean) would allow it, because right at first Dean still held John up, it wasn't until season three (I think) that Dean started to realize that John hadn't been a very good father to him. However, I could see Dean just wanting something from the "old days" to hang on to, and aside from Sam at that point Bobby was kind of all he had.

Now it does make sense that Sam didn't object (at first), because at that point Sam still held some resentment for John. But I do think in ...And Then There Were None Sam should've (at least) pulled a minor bitch-face over it, because at this point Sam has accepted John did the best he could.

Okay, no, I don't think Sam should've reacted much to Bobby sending Dean away that first time, but later when Bobby demanded they both go away, I just think we should've seen Sam not be all that happy about it. It didn't need to be a line or anything, but as I said a minor bitch-face would've been enough. On the other hand, I could see it at this point being habit for them accepting Bobby in that role.

So, really it does makes sense that in ...And Then There Were None again Bobby would feel the need to become pretend!daddy again. Obviously, Grandpa wasn't much of anything to the boys, and Bobby knew that, so, yeah, it makes sense that in the face of Grandpa, who really didn't treat the boys well, but especially Dean, Bobby's favorite that Bobby would almost instinctually fall back into that daddy role.

However, while I can see the how and why it still doesn't make me like daddy!Bobby. I like it better when Bobby comes across as a friend more then a wanna-be father to them. But I do like being able to see where everybody is coming from emotionally.

Though, truth is, I still want John to somehow come back from the dead and tell Bobby that while he's glad the old fart was there for his boys that he also forcefully reminds Bobby that he (Bobby) is NOT the boys father. Then just for shits and giggles (mine) he can somehow bring Grandpa back from the dead and show the old fart who is the better man and hunter.

Although, to be fair, I do understand why Grandpa wouldn't want to respect John. After all, John was the man who was in the process (from Grandpa's point of view) of taking his daughter away from him. And, even more, I could see Grandpa believing that it was John who ultimately got his daughter killed, because John simply wasn't up to protecting her (which I don't blame John for, but I could see Mary's father easily blaming John for). And I think that probably explains why Grandpa didn't exactly welcome Dean and Sam with open arms, he treated them like they was John's children and not the children of John and Mary, and that would probably be enough (though on top of Robo!Sam there probably didn't really need to be anything else) to keep him from feeling about Sam and Dean as he maybe did the other Campbells.
(I'd also like to know what the point was to bringing Grandpa back in the first place. Seriously, I just find it hard to believe that Crowley needed Grandpa to help him get the Alphas. So, I'm hoping there's more to Crowley having brought Grandpa back then it seems to be at this point.)


Now moving to the thing I liked better, but find myself having more trouble putting it in to words.

I know most people had some issues with Dean's actions in ...And Then There Were None - he didn't seem all that broken up about Gwen's death, but more interesting (and pleasing) for me is how willing Dean was to torture the worm even if that meant hurting Bobby as well. And not just because I wasn't real fond of Bobby. Honestly, that whole thing reminded me so much of On the Head of a Pin.

As far as Gwen is concerned, I don't mind that Dean wasn't all that broken up about it. Sure, they had a minor bonding scene, but not enough for Gwen to side with Dean later against Grandpa, even after learning that Grandpa (and by default herself) was working for a demon. Look, that doesn't mean I hated Gwen, I didn't/don't, I think the character had some potential, I'm just saying that I don't think the teeny tiny bonding scene they shared was enough to cancel out the actions that Gwen took, or rather didn't take. Also, the fact that Dean didn't actually kill her, the worm that had taken over Dean's body killed her. So, it makes sense (to me) that Dean wouldn't be crying his manly man tear and rending his clothing over her passing, especially not in light of Rufus also being killed that night, because I think all things being relative it's probable that Rufus meant more to Dean then Gwen did.

*sigh* Gwen was not what I really wanted to talk about here. What I really want to talk about is how easily Dean turned to "torture" or how easy it was for Dean to torture. Making a remark early on from one of the Campbells seem almost prophetic now.

I mean, seriously, even when the worm was talking, Dean didn't back off. When Dean didn't like what "it" was saying he brought the pain, and never seemed to truly be bothered about the fact that he was also bringing Bobby the pain. I mean Dean never flinched, and all through it you could see that Sam was at least having some trouble over the thought that hurting the worm was also hurting Bobby. So, much so that once Sam called out Dean's name trying to get him to back off. Okay, Sam only said his name, but that's how I read the whole scene.

But what I really loved was that when Dean was trying to kill the worm, Sam had to actually look away, while Dean never wavered. Not once. I can't really put in to words how much I loved that, and again not just because I don't have the great love of Bobby going on, because I loved it more for what it said about Dean then what it was doing to Bobby. We're all waiting for Sam to bust out evil or something, when we might instead be heading for a break-out evil!Dean. Still even if that doesn't happen, I LOVE that it's clear Dean still after all these years isn't free of hells influence, and may never truly be free of it. It's mostly (save for this episode) subtle, but I love it.
March 9th Update Note: Okay, I rewatched that scene again last night, and Dean does actually "flinch" a little bit once toward the very end. But still considering that even though Bobby isn't himself it is still Bobby he's hurting, my overall point still stands. And, interestingly enough, Sam was even more squirmy and uncomfortable with the whole thing then I remembered from the original watch.

And in light of Dean's behavior in this episode it makes Dean's year of normal life seem even more fake somehow. Like maybe Dean being/feeling so out of character early in the season now makes a kind of sense that it didn't seem to be making at the time. Back then he really wasn't comfortable enough to be himself, and even running around with Robo!Sam Dean wasn't comfortable because he knew something was wrong with Sam. But now that Sam is all the way back Dean is clearly more comfortable, which means that more of his real self is slipping out, and unintentionally revealing how grossly affected by his time in hell Dean still is. And Dean is still much more affected by his time in hell then anybody (save Alastair) would've ever guessed, because I think until that scene even Sam most likely believed Dean was mostly finally past all that.
(Okay, comfortable might be a weird word choice here, but comfortable is what I mean/meant. Dean clearly wasn't comfortable (i.e. truly himself) with Lisa and Ben, not necessarily because they made him uncomfortable, but because Dean felt he needed to be someone he wasn't while he was with them. Like Robo!Sam being relieved when Dean told him to stop pretending to be Sam, I think Dean is also a little relieved that he no longer feels that he has to put on an act for others.
Does that clarify it better? He's comfortable because in his mind he no longer feels the need to pretend to be someone other then Dean. Cause from his own mouth he doesn't think Dean is someone who should be around normal people. So, it's a twisted kind of comfortable, but still a kind of comfortable.

PS - I seem to be the only one that actually likes the fact that both Dean and Sam now have a shared hell experience. Granted they are different, but unlike others I like that both have been to hell and back. Maybe that's cause now I can imagine them removing their shirts then hugging each other while sharing their epic!man!hell!pain with each other. But seriously most other fans (that I've seen) seem to think this needs to be turned into Dean's hell!pain vs Sam's hell!pain. WHY? Seriously, why can't we all just be happy that they both have the epic!man!hell!pain? *sigh*
(Yes, the shirts being removed before the hugging is very important. It allows them both to expose their man!pain more epically. Yep, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;p)

So, did that make sense to anyone? Cause in my head it makes sense, but I'm not sure it translated well from my head to the page.